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    Hans Herrera

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    A couple of days ago, Ely presented his current projected 40-man and 26-man roster, naming his rotation after Jesus Luzardo, Eury Perez, Braxton Garrett, Edward Cabrera, and Trevor Rogers. This group will be challenged by Max Meyer, A.J. Puk, Ryan Weathers, George Soriano, and some non-roster invitees, mostly for the two last spots on that rotation. I completely agree with him.

    Several of those projected starters for next season are either on an innings limit (Pérez) or there is some sort of uncertainty about being able to manage a full-season load (Rogers, Meyer), especially those current relievers who will be stretched into starters.

    In addition to this, Max Scherzer talked about the potential consequences of the pitching clock. Nothing is scientifically proven and there should be more data before drawing such conclusions. This new rule has undoubtedly been a success in terms of speeding the game up, but we are still on the learning curve when it comes to disadvantages. Coincidence or not, Scherzer underwent back surgery on Friday and will miss part of the 2024 season as a result.

    Since the Marlins are not doing much this offseason, the exercise presented today is to evaluate how the number of rest days influenced the performance of the starting pitchers. This is because if the front office does not transact any of the current starters, it might look like the team has an excess of them, but is that really the case?

    Well, in short, it depends. The data following shows how was the overall performance of the 5 main starters last season (Sandy, Jesus, Braxton, Eddy, and Eury).

    Note: Rest days are considered full days in between starts, so if they pitch on a Sunday and again on a Friday, those are 4 resting days (Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday). Also, the first start of the season and those outings coming from the IL or after minor league reassignments are not included. Multi-inning “bulk reliever” outings are included.

    Sandy Alcantara

    Rest DaysGIPHERBBSOHRERAPitches (Avg)QS
    41175.275331561103.9398.55
    51382.28144247094.7996.86
    6+320.217551832.1894.72

    Jesus Luzardo

    Rest DaysGIPHERBBSOHRERAPitches (Avg)QS
    4127261241791103.0092.88
    5147773362490904.2195.57
    6+524261192234.13902

    Braxton Garrett

    Rest DaysGIPHERBBSOHRERAPitches (Avg)QS
    4947472365174.4080.42
    5158170281477103.11807
    6+628.2311292723.77851

    Edward Cabrera

    Rest DaysGIPHERBBSOHRERAPitches (Avg)QS
    4733.22917203924.5481.11
    510463522335774.30872
    6+27952616.43660

    Eury Perez

    Rest DaysGIPHERBBSOHRERAPitches (Avg)QS
    4527.1155112811.65863
    51043.24120125594.1277.52
    6+2117241111.6481.51

    Some patterns show up here that maybe the Marlins can try to plan around.

    For example, Luzardo’s stats might look like suggesting he did much better on 4 days rest, but the truth is that he had some hot streaks (early June to late July, late August to end of the season) and some bad ones (late April, first half of August) regardless of the days of rest. During that last hot streak from late August to the end of September, he only had one 4-day rest start (that game in NY before the rain). All of the others were 5 or more resting days, and he was terrific.

    Now take Braxton Garrett. It seems like he has a better time when you give him 5 full days between starts, and those stats include that 4.1 IP, 11 ER outing vs. Atlanta, which was on a 5 days rest. Braxton threw more than 91 pitches only twice and never reached 100.

    Eury was truly babied, but his two worst outings came on 5 days rest: that 1-out, 6-ER in Atlanta, and 4-inning effort vs. the Yankees where he allowed 4 earned runs. Cabrera is also a mixed bag, but his numbers look slightly better when he has 5 days off.

    Maybe it is a good idea to bring a 6th starter—your 5 ½th starter—when there are those long stretches with consecutive games. For example, if planned, Meyer or now A.J. Puk can work some weeks out of the bullpen, but that week with no days off, they can start one game and give the other starters a good extra day of rest to manage the total load, especially needed at the end of the season.

    It is difficult to control when you have to deal with injuries and most weeks have 6 games in a row, but the strategy is to do it every time you have the chance. Here are some stretches with no days off next season:

    • March 28 (Opening Day)–April 4 (8 games)
    • April 12–24 (13 games)
    • April 26–May 8 (13 games)
    • June 11–19 (9 games)
    • June 21–30 (10 games)
    • July 19–28 (10 games)
    • July 30–August 11 (13 games)
    • August 23–Sept. 1 (10 games)
    • Sept. 3–15 (13 games)

    With few off days in the second half of the season, that 5 ½th starter can be useful by sparing 5-7 starts before the All-Star Game, and maybe 2 or 3 more during that brutal August schedule. It might not be so important at the beginning of the season because starters are trying to build up but can be a good idea from May on.

    All of this is to try to understand the impact of the current pitcher workload, now even more difficult to handle due to the pitch clock. Even though the Fish reached the postseason, let’s not forget how tough it was to navigate through the starting pitching over the last 2 weeks of the regular season. This is yet another reason to bring a back-of-the-rotation, innings-eater starter, someone who the team can rely on for 5-6 innings of competitive pitching.

    Another side note: With Detroit taking Jack Flaherty home, the only proposed SP for the Marlins who still hasn’t signed yet is Michael Lorenzen, although my choice would still be Jake Odorizzi.

    Comments are much appreciated.

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    Good insights here and thanks for the research on the pitching outcomes. The Marlins should be wary of the injury proclivity of their staff, which is likely to remove two or more of the starters for significant periods every year. Without Alcantara, the innings burden is obviously more concerning. The litany of issues includes Perez's handling strategy, those pitchers recovering from serious injuries last year, Cabrera's apparent diffidence regarding his stuff, and the necessary caution of relying on Puk for a stretch longer than a few months. To my mind, the staff is considerably more fragile than we would like. This is why trading one of these pieces is dangerous. We know the pickings are slim in the Marlins' price range, if (and it is a big if) the team even plans to prioritize another starter (which I doubt). Hoeing will be needed, probably very early in the year, I suspect. Those three-inning stints, call them whatever you wish, have to be combined with Soriano, Weathers, or Puk, most likely. Although I am sure Bendix will make lots of moves attempting to piecemeal offensive output, it is obvious to me that the Marlins should concentrate on pitching and defense as the foundation right now. If there is another unicorn season in the wings, we will hold a lot of cards at the deadline. Otherwise, trading our pitching reserves for a random single offensive player had better be a killer deal.

    Updating this idea, here is a theoretical schedule for next season.

     

    - This applies if no injuries, rain delays, etc (pretty unrealistic).

    - Mostly to give the idea of the concept.

    - Meyer is penciled in as the 5 1/2 starter and is starting 15 games. The others are starting 29/30 games.

     

    DATE GAME STARTER

    28/03/2024 Pirates at Marlins Luzardo

    29/03/2024 Pirates at Marlins Perez

    30/03/2024 Pirates at Marlins Garrett

    31/03/2024 Pirates at Marlins Cabrera

    01/04/2024 Angels at Marlins Rogers

    02/04/2024 Angels at Marlins Luzardo

    03/04/2024 Angels at Marlins Perez

    04/04/2024 Marlins at Cards Garrett

    05/04/2024

    06/04/2024 Marlins at Cards Cabrera

    07/04/2024 Marlins at Cards Rogers

    08/04/2024 Marlins at Yanks Luzardo

    09/04/2024 Marlins at Yankees Perez

    10/04/2024 Marlins at Yankees Garrett

    11/04/2024

    12/04/2024 Braves at Marlins Cabrera

    13/04/2024 Braves at Marlins Rogers

    14/04/2024 Braves at Marlins Luzardo

    15/04/2024 Giants at Marlins Perez

    16/04/2024 Giants at Marlins Garrett

    17/04/2024 Giants at Marlins MEYER

    18/04/2024 Marlins at Cubs Cabrera

    19/04/2024 Marlins at Cubs Rogers

    20/04/2024 Marlins at Cubs Luzardo

    21/04/2024 Marlins at Cubs Perez

    22/04/2024 Marlins at Braves Garrett

    23/04/2024 Marlins at Braves Cabrera

    24/04/2024 Marlins at Braves Rogers

    25/04/2024

    26/04/2024 Nats at Marlins Luzardo

    27/04/2024 Nats at Marlins Perez

    28/04/2024 Nats at Marlins Garrett

    29/04/2024 Nats at Marlins Cabrera

    30/04/2024 Rockies at Marlins Rogers

    01/05/2024 Rockies at Marlins Luzardo

    02/05/2024 Rockies at Marlins MEYER

    03/05/2024 Marlins at Athletics Perez

    04/05/2024 Marlins at Athletics Garrett

    05/05/2024 Marlins at Athletics Cabrera

    06/05/2024 Marlins at Dodgers Rogers

    07/05/2024 Marlins at Dodgers Luzardo

    08/05/2024 Marlins at Dodgers MEYER

    09/05/2024

    10/05/2024 Phillies at Marlins Perez

    11/05/2024 Phillies at Marlins Garrett

    12/05/2024 Phillies at Marlins Cabrera

    13/05/2024 Marlins at Tigers Rogers

    14/05/2024 Marlins at Tigers Luzardo

    15/05/2024 Marlins at Tigers MEYER

    16/05/2024

    17/05/2024 Mets at Marlins Perez

    18/05/2024 Mets at Marlins Garrett

    19/05/2024 Mets at Marlins Cabrera

    20/05/2024 Brewers at Marlins Rogers

    21/05/2024 Brewers at Marlins Luzardo

    22/05/2024 Brewers at Marlins MEYER

    23/05/2024

    24/05/2024 Marlins at D-backs Perez

    25/05/2024 Marlins at D-backs Garrett

    26/05/2024 Marlins at D-backs Cabrera

    27/05/2024 Marlins at Padres Rogers

    28/05/2024 Marlins at Padres Luzardo

    29/05/2024 Marlins at Padres MEYER

    30/05/2024

    31/05/2024 Rangers at Marlins Perez

    01/06/2024 Rangers at Marlins Garrett

    02/06/2024 Rangers at Marlins Cabrera

    03/06/2024

    04/06/2024 Rays at Marlins Rogers

    05/06/2024 Rays at Marlins Luzardo

    06/06/2024

    07/06/2024 Guards at Marlins Perez

    08/06/2024 Guards at Marlins Garrett

    09/06/2024 Guards at Marlins Cabrera

    10/06/2024

    11/06/2024 Marlins at Mets Rogers

    12/06/2024 Marlins at Mets Luzardo

    13/06/2024 Marlins at Mets Perez

    14/06/2024 Marlins at Nats Garrett

    15/06/2024 Marlins at Nats Cabrera

    16/06/2024 Marlins at Nats Rogers

    17/06/2024 Cards at Marlins Luzardo

    18/06/2024 Cards at Marlins Perez

    19/06/2024 Cards at Marlins Garrett

    20/06/2024

    21/06/2024 Mariners at Marlins Cabrera

    22/06/2024 Mariners at Marlins Rogers

    23/06/2024 Mariners at Marlins Luzardo

    24/06/2024 Marlins at Royals Perez

    25/06/2024 Marlins at Royals Garrett

    26/06/2024 Marlins at Royals MEYER

    27/06/2024 Marlins at Phillies Cabrera

    28/06/2024 Marlins at Phillies Rogers

    29/06/2024 Marlins at Phillies Luzardo

    30/06/2024 Marlins at Phillies Perez

    01/07/2024

    02/07/2024 Red Sox at Marlins Garrett

    03/07/2024 Red Sox at Marlins Cabrera

    04/07/2024 Red Sox at Marlins Rogers

    05/07/2024 W Sox at Marlins Luzardo

    06/07/2024 W Sox at Marlins Perez

    07/07/2024 W Sox at Marlins MEYER

    08/07/2024

    09/07/2024 Marlins at Astros Garrett

    10/07/2024 Marlins at Astros Cabrera

    11/07/2024 Marlins at Astros Rogers

    12/07/2024 Marlins at Reds Luzardo

    13/07/2024 Marlins at Reds Perez

    14/07/2024 Marlins at Reds MEYER

    15/07/2024

    16/07/2024 ASG Break

    17/07/2024

    18/07/2024

    19/07/2024 Mets at Marlins Luzardo

    20/07/2024 Mets at Marlins Perez

    21/07/2024 Mets at Marlins Garrett

    22/07/2024 Mets at Marlins Cabrera

    23/07/2024 Orioles at Marlins Rogers

    24/07/2024 Orioles at Marlins Luzardo

    25/07/2024 Orioles at Marlins Perez

    26/07/2024 Marlins at Brewers Garrett

    27/07/2024 Marlins at Brewers Cabrera

    28/07/2024 Marlins at Brewers Rogers

    29/07/2024

    30/07/2024 Marlins at Rays Luzardo

    31/07/2024 Marlins at Rays Perez

    01/08/2024 Marlins at Braves Garrett

    02/08/2024 Marlins at Braves Cabrera

    03/08/2024 Marlins at Braves Rogers

    04/08/2024 Marlins at Braves MEYER

    05/08/2024 Reds at Marlins Luzardo

    06/08/2024 Reds at Marlins Perez

    07/08/2024 Reds at Marlins Garrett

    08/08/2024 Reds at Marlins Cabrera

    09/08/2024 Padres at Marlins Rogers

    10/08/2024 Padres at Marlins MEYER

    11/08/2024 Padres at Marlins Luzardo

    12/08/2024

    13/08/2024 Marlins at Phillies Perez

    14/08/2024 Marlins at Phillies Garrett

    15/08/2024

    16/08/2024 Marlins at Mets Cabrera

    17/08/2024 Marlins at Mets Rogers

    18/08/2024 Marlins at Mets Luzardo

    19/08/2024 D-backs at Marlins Perez

    20/08/2024 D-backs at Marlins Garrett

    21/08/2024 D-backs at Marlins Cabrera

    22/08/2024

    23/08/2024 Cubs at Marlins Rogers

    24/08/2024 Cubs at Marlins Luzardo

    25/08/2024 Cubs at Marlins Perez

    26/08/2024 Marlins at Rockies Garrett

    27/08/2024 Marlins at Rockies Cabrera

    28/08/2024 Marlins at Rockies MEYER

    29/08/2024 Marlins at Rockies Rogers

    30/08/2024 Marlins at Giants Luzardo

    31/08/2024 Marlins at Giants Perez

    01/09/2024 Marlins at Giants Garrett

    02/09/2024

    03/09/2024 Nats at Marlins Cabrera

    04/09/2024 Nats at Marlins Rogers

    05/09/2024 Phillies at Marlins Luzardo

    06/09/2024 Phillies at Marlins Perez

    07/09/2024 Phillies at Marlins Garrett

    08/09/2024 Phillies at Marlins MEYER

    09/09/2024 Marlins at Pirates Cabrera

    10/09/2024 Marlins at Pirates Rogers

    11/09/2024 Marlins at Pirates Luzardo

    12/09/2024 Marlins at Nats Perez

    13/09/2024 Marlins at Nats Garrett

    14/09/2024 Marlins at Nats MEYER

    15/09/2024 Marlins at Nats Cabrera

    16/09/2024

    17/09/2024 Dodgers at Marlins Rogers

    18/09/2024 Dodgers at Marlins Luzardo

    19/09/2024 Dodgers at Marlins Perez

    20/09/2024 Braves at Marlins Garrett

    21/09/2024 Braves at Marlins Cabrera

    22/09/2024 Braves at Marlins Rogers

    23/09/2024

    24/09/2024 Marlins at Twins Luzardo

    25/09/2024 Marlins at Twins Perez

    26/09/2024 Marlins at Twins Garrett

    27/09/2024 Marlins at Blu Jays Cabrera

    28/09/2024 Marlins at Blu Jays Rogers

    29/09/2024 Marlins at Blu Jays MEYER (Luzardo can start this game if it is a must-win)



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