I don’t understand very well the approach of all the trades as a whole. To me, looks like the main goal is to get the farm system stronger, but then also to acquire MLB players like Adell and Williams.

So is it a full rebuild to get better prospects or is it to bring a better major league team?

If it’s a rebuild, I’m OK with getting Adell because he’s still under control for several years, while getting rid of Berry once and for all. But the Williams trade is unnecessary, and it is too early to give up on VMJ.

I highly disagree with Jo Adell. There's other project players we could look at, and Jo Adell should be nowhere close to being worth considering. If you had PTSD of seeing Lewis Brinson taking 1056 PAs for Miami from 2018-2021, you're going to be reliving those moments because Jo Adell is literally the same exact player but with far worse defensive value. You'd be getting equal value (or better) by bringing up Victor Mesa Jr to patrol the outfield instead.

Gavin Williams similarly makes no sense. You're giving up on a player like Victor Mesa Jr to get a #4 pitcher for... what reason exactly? Losing years of control for a guy that could potentially be a building piece in return for acquiring a guy with not a whole lot of upside is detrimental to the bigger picture. You're better off just letting Victor Mesa Jr play in the outfield for us and let us see what he can do.

This year is a lost cause. This team needs a full scale rebuild, not a small retool. If we kept doing small retools every year, we'd finish 77-85 every year. Sure, it's not a 62-100 record but we'd be going nowhere every year. At least with having a few stinker 100+ loss seasons, we could stockpile enough talent to one day shock the world with a playoff run. (Provided, we ACTUALLY DEVELOP THAT TALENT)

5 hours ago, One Regend said:

I highly disagree with Jo Adell. There's other project players we could look at, and Jo Adell should be nowhere close to being worth considering. If you had PTSD of seeing Lewis Brinson taking 1056 PAs for Miami from 2018-2021, you're going to be reliving those moments because Jo Adell is literally the same exact player but with far worse defensive value. You'd be getting equal value (or better) by bringing up Victor Mesa Jr to patrol the outfield instead.

Gavin Williams similarly makes no sense. You're giving up on a player like Victor Mesa Jr to get a #4 pitcher for... what reason exactly? Losing years of control for a guy that could potentially be a building piece in return for acquiring a guy with not a whole lot of upside is detrimental to the bigger picture. You're better off just letting Victor Mesa Jr play in the outfield for us and let us see what he can do.

This year is a lost cause. This team needs a full scale rebuild, not a small retool. If we kept doing small retools every year, we'd finish 77-85 every year. Sure, it's not a 62-100 record but we'd be going nowhere every year. At least with having a few stinker 100+ loss seasons, we could stockpile enough talent to one day shock the world with a playoff run. (Provided, we ACTUALLY DEVELOP THAT TALENT)

You are right about Adell and Williams. No need to add them to this roster. At least Williams is controllable until 2030, but is not worth giving away VMJ.

While agree on half-rebuilds, I honestly think this team is not as far from contending as it appears on paper. Two 105 OPS+, one 115-120, and a closer, can be a 80-wins team. All that can be done with not a lot of resources… say $30M in free agents?

The biggest problem this team has is the absurd frugality of the ownership.

On 12/5/2024 at 8:01 AM, Hans Herrera said:

I honestly think this team is not as far from contending as it appears on paper. All that can be done with not a lot of resources… say $30M in free agents?

 

1. Contend for what with 80ish wins? Division will need 15-20 more wins, wild card ain't goin cut it with a low 80s win anymore with LA, SD, MIL, PHI, ATL & NY. Which player(s) you getting 20 wins with on $30mm? Id love to see your realistic offseason transaction ledger for those 20 wins on $30mm

On 12/4/2024 at 1:56 AM, Hans Herrera said:

I don’t understand very well the approach of all the trades as a whole. To me, looks like the main goal is to get the farm system stronger, but then also to acquire MLB players like Adell and Williams.

So is it a full rebuild to get better prospects or is it to bring a better major league team?

If it’s a rebuild, I’m OK with getting Adell because he’s still under control for several years, while getting rid of Berry once and for all. But the Williams trade is unnecessary, and it is too early to give up on VMJ.

The main goal is to acquire controlablen talent and to take calculated risks on guys with upside that they can get to perform and be flipped for better prospects than they gave up

I'm not as high on Mesa Jr as most. He really struggles to hit velocity. I see him more as a 4th outfielder.

not the way to go..  'm not as high on Mesa Jr as most also. from day one.